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Very well presented. Jul 09, 2008
This book goes straight to the heart of the matter of mormonism. There are hundreds of side issues that cast doubt on the LDS church, but this book deals with the foundation upon which the church rests, fuzzy fealings and the book of mormon. I have read a dozen books critical of the LDS church. After I read this one I bought a 2nd and 3rd copy to share with friends and family.
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 A Friendly Discussion: Mormonism--Pro and Con Nov 05, 2007
This book was very helpful to my teenage daughter who has two Mormon friends. It helped her understand their doctrine in clear, easy terms and how to carry on a conversation with them about their faith. Highly recommend.
5 of 7 found the following review helpful:
Great Summary! Apr 08, 2007
How to Talk to a Mormon is a wonderful introduction/summary of the main problems of Mormonism. Ed Bliss carefully documents his statements, and "faithful" readers will be shocked at how many problems with Mormon doctrine arise from Brigham Young's published Journal of Discourses and Joseph Smith's heavily edited History of the Church. And darn that B.H. Roberts! The apostle kept a private record of his disturbing conclusions regarding the Book of Mormon's, uh, "authenticity".
I loved that Bliss made the text of his book a conversation between a returning missionary and an ex-investigator. Mormons have this fuzzy-outlined picture of the weary but oh-so-righteous boy, positively glowing with angelic truth and wisdom, going for that last convert before he rushes into the arms of his 18-year-old high school girlfriend from Sandy. I laughed to think of him getting disillusioned (how apt a word is that--his illusion was taken away) right before his fans greet him in the airport.
This book is a superb introduction to the fatal flaws of Mormonism. Bliss is very kind--the polygamy section could have been oh-so-much more detailed (and therefore lurid). But hey, this is an introduction. Under the Banner of Heaven, No Man Knows My History, Mormon America make great follow ups to this brilliant introduction. The Danites, the Mountain Meadows Massacre, temple ceremony changes, and all kinds of other fun await this boy if he keeps investigating. I think the Morins' Suddenly Strangers is also a great introductory book. You just have to decide if you want a personal, evolving story of how these brothers found their way out of Candyland. That or Bliss' wonderful How to Talk to a Mormon are must reads.
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Nice review of some of Mormonism's biggest problems Nov 16, 2006
I had the pleasure of reviewing Ed's book in manuscript form, and I'm really pleased with the final product. Ed is a former newspaper reporter for the Salt Lake Tribune, Deseret News, and Columbus Dispatch. He's also the author of "Getting Things Done," and "Doing it Now." With that literary experience it should come as no surprise that "How to talk to a Mormon Missionary" is well-organized, well-researched, and well-written.
Faithful Mormons will call Ed's book "anti-Mormon." That's a pejorative term among Latter-day Saints, a kind of secret code among the faithful that means "this man is in the devil's power and you will lose your testimony and your eternal salvation if you read his book." Personally, though, I think Ed has gone out of his way to be respectful. He methodically looks at various claims, evaluates the evidence, and advances logically consistent conclusions regarding the validity of Mormon assertions. What else would you expect from an honest intellectual examination of Mormonism? The faithful, obviously, won't see it that way. In the topsy-turvy world of Mormon apologetics, the very act of criticizing Mormonism is considered "disrespectful" and rejected out of hand. For truth seekers, though, Mormonism deserves all the respect it earns, and it can earn respect only by proving its naked assertions. For them, Ed's book will be an invaluable resource.
This is the story of an imagined conversation between two people seated next to each other on a long flight. One has investigated and rejected the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), and the other is a young Mormon headed home from his mission. Ed's book is built around various arguments used by the fictional Mormon missionary, and how the fictional investigator shreds them. While it's true that the names and circumstances are imagined, the essential elements are not.
Ed's missionary begins by bearing his testimony, explaining that he knows the church is true because he's prayed about it and had answers to his prayers in the form of good feelings and a "burning in my bosom." The reply to that argument is based on the simple observation that most people feel good about their religious beliefs, yet these religious beliefs are often mutually inconsistent. Thus, the notion that "feels good = truth" leads to a logical contradiction, and the rock of "revelation" upon which Mormonism claims to be based, is exposed as little more than the good feelings that anyone has when they hear something they are pre-disposed to believe in.
Chapter 2 brings us to the Book of Mormon, piously proclaimed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the most correct book on earth. The Book of Mormon presents itself as a literal history of the ancient Americans, yet it miserably fails key scientific tests. None of its non-trivial claims about ancient America are true, even many of its trivial claims are bogus. The ancient Americans were not Hebrews, did not write in Hebrew or Egyptian, didn't have domesticated horses, cattle, swine, or elephants, did not grow old-world food crops, and did not smelt iron and steel. Anyone familiar with ancient American archeology would realize in an instant that the author of the Book of Mormon had no significant knowledge of ancient America.
But even if you're unfamiliar with ancient American archeology, the Book of Mormon comes across as a clumsy attempt at history. Bliss points out, for example, that the Book of Mormon hardly ever mentions women, yet in real historical documents women are mentioned prominently. For example, Bliss lists all the women in the Bible. The list is so long that it takes an entire page. After that there's another half page listing the Biblical women that are described but not named. Then he lists all the women in the Book of Mormon - there are three of them. There are twelve books in the Book of Mormon, covering a total of more than a thousand years, where no women are mentioned at all. This is highly unlikely in a real history. [I present a similar argument in my book, "Farewell to Eden: Coming to terms with Mormonism and science," in which I show that the month-dates in the Book of Mormon are not randomly distributed, as in real histories, but highly biased, as we would expect from a fabricated story.]
The problems with the Book of Mormon aren't just external. There are doctrinal problems, too. For example, Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel, yet it doesn't describe dozens of fundamental LDS doctrines at all, including the pre-existent life, the war in heaven, Satan cast out, progress in the spirit world/paradise, the Terrestrial, Telestial, and Celestial kingdoms, baptism for the dead, eternal (temple) marriage, and the doctrine that god has a body of flesh and bone. It doesn't even describe the key LDS doctrine that god, Jesus, and the holy ghost are separate beings. Instead of these doctrines, which the LDS proclaim are essential parts of the restored gospel, the doctrinal discussions in the Book of Mormon consist almost entirely of issues that were hotly debated at the time Joseph Smith wrote it, things like infant baptism and the origin of the Indians, just as one would expect if Joseph Smith was the author, and not some ancient Amerindian.
I can't summarize all the arguments that Ed discusses in his book, so I'll just list them to give you an idea of what he covers:
View of the Hebrews
The Book of Mormon "witnesses"
The Swedenborg factor
The first vision
The Kinderhook incident
The genetic code
The book of Abraham
The gift of prophecy
The Adam-god question
The curse
The principle
If you've researched Mormonism you may not find any new arguments in Ed's book. For those who're new to Mormonism, though, this is an excellent book for summarizing some of the most damaging arguments in opposition to LDS claims. I highly recommend it.
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Simple and Powerful! Nov 11, 2006
I am mentioned in the acknowledgement page of this book, but my only involvement in it's production was as a supportive friend. I was not involved in helping with the content or production. Having said that, however, with many family members who are Mormons, Never-Mormons, and Ex-Mormons, I am always looking for material to stock in my library for those times someone asks to know more about the history and doctrines of Mormonism. Mr. Bliss' new book, "How to Talk to a Mormon" will be become, in my opinion, one of the standard "must-haves" for those accumulating information about Mormonism. It is concise, to-the-point, and within a small volume includes the most important information about doctrines and history of Mormonism. If you have any interest in the "meat" of Mormonism -- as a member already, or someone who has a family member or friend contemplating joining the Mormon church, this book will provide information and material most of the general public does not know about this religion. I highly recommend it.
Sue Emmett
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